Der amerikanische economist hat, scheintʼs, einen Narren gefressen an James Damore, und hat eine email für Larry Page an Damore entworfen. Faszinierend. Lädt ein zu angemessener Antwort. Dem kann ich nicht widerstehen.
Weil ich nicht den Nerv habe, die komplette Email einzudeutschen, wechsel ich nun auf Amerikanisches Englisch.
presumably it is not Larryʼs but your opinion which reflects the hypothetical letter to James. This is what you wrote, enriched by my humble opinion.
My opinion will apperar as acting the role of James as answering to Larry. All virtually. Even if I donʼt think that Larry—who is a nerd—really minds about diversity and gender gaga.
Please accept German quoting signs as Iʼm not willed to re-write my CMS pattern for this one post in American English.
Aug 19th 2017
Created on: 15 August 2017 at 15:15
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From: Larry Page <*********@google.com>
To: James Damore <***********@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber”
Looks like that original msg was an email directed to Larry. No, it wasnʼt. Instead, it was a memorandum directed to all in Google intranet.
You’re probably expecting me to start by claiming that there are no differences in the average abilities, aptitudes and interests of men and women. Or that the fact that four times as many of Google’s software engineers are men than are women is proof of discrimination. I’m not going to do either of those things. There is good evidence for dozens of such differences between the average man and average woman. And as a matter of pure logic, you are correct that the gender gap in our team of software engineers is not of itself proof of sexism or discrimination.
I am happy to acknowledge that you state your support for gender diversity and fairness. Your memo starts: “I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes.”
So, you and anyone else who reads this may be wondering, why the fuss? Why did your memo go viral? Why did it cause such fury? Why did we fire you?
Indeed, I wonder.
In interviews and an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal you have said it’s because Google is “ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate”, and therefore unable to tolerate your “reasoned, well-researched, good-faith argument”. You’ve driven the point home with your “Goolag” T-shirt and new twitter handle, @Fired4Truth.
Yes. After you fired me.
Your interpretation is wrong.
Now, I am more than just a little bit interested.
Your memo was a great example of what’s called “motivated reasoning”—seeking out only the information that supports what you already believe. It was derogatory to women in our industry and elsewhere.
Derogatory. Please continue.
Despite your stated support for diversity and fairness, it demonstrated profound prejudice.
Allow me to correct the order of arguing: First find the mistakes. Secondly analyze the found mistakes, eg prejudice. This rule is older than you.
Your chain of reasoning had so many missing links that it hardly mattered what your argument was based on.
Iʼm sure I noted the sources. Sure you really read the memo?
We try to hire people who are willing to follow where the facts lead, whatever their preconceptions.
Preconceptions. That is an interpretation, not the facts themselves. Order of arguing ... see above.
In your case we clearly made a mistake.
Have you ever noticed how no one takes sentences that start “I’m not a racist, but…” at face value?
Do you criticize my rhetorics? Or my facts?
Here’s why, in the words of Jon Snow in “Game of Thrones” (season 7, episode 1). When Sansa Stark tells him: “They respect you, they really do, but…,” Snow laughs and comes back with: “What did father used to say? Everything before the word ‘but’ is horseshit.”
Got it. Rhetorics. That was not a matter when hiring me. Are there any offerings of rhetorics improvement in your fund of meetings? (Stop! Cancel! Question withdrawn! If there were any, I would know.)
I thought of that line when I read this section in your memo: “Of course, men and women experience bias, tech, and the workplace differently and we should be cognizant of this, but it’s far from the whole story. On average, men and women biologically differ in many ways…” All your comments about valuing diversity and fairness came before that giant “but”. What came after it was a description of a few gender differences, your argument that they explain why so many of our software engineers are men and your complaint that Google’s attempts to change that balance, far from being about fairness to women, amount to anti-male bias. You use the words “discriminate” or “discrimination” 17 times, exclusively to describe men as victims.
Seventeen? Iʼm so sorry!
Now that we’ve worked out what your memo’s really about, let’s examine its argument.
These are the main gender differences you cite: women’s on-average greater interest, compared with men, in people and lesser interest in things; their relatively greater tendency to “empathise” rather than “systematise”, and to be agreeable rather than assertive; and their relatively higher anxiety and lower tolerance for stress. You present a diagram of two normal distributions, with the same standard deviations but slightly different means, to demonstrate that small differences in group averages can result in large differences when it comes to outliers. (The Economist’s data team has kindly redrawn this for me, highlighting the “tail” of the distribution with the higher mean.)
The point of this simplified model is to demonstrate that, of everyone who scores very highly on the variable under consideration, many more will be from the group with the higher average.
Yes. Thanks for that informative diagram. Please note that Googleʼs employees are not in the average areas, red or blue in the optical center, but at the high-end right in the diagram. As far as it concerns specific needs for Googleʼs business, this gaussian diagram shows clearly that the men (blue) have some advantage which cannot be explained as discriminatory against female gender (red). If Google really wants to correct that gap, they must leave basic logics. Thatʼs exactly what I my memo expressed.
Then you make a giant leap from group differences between men and women on such measures as interest in people rather than things, or systematising versus empathising, to differences in men’s and women’s ability to code.
At least that’s what you seem to be doing; you don’t quite say so.
I did. And, sorry, I said it clearly.
There is no evidence for such an inference.
Individually: no. But I didnʼt speak of individuals, but of average.
And that is only the first flaw in your argument. I can see at least six more, any of which would derail it on its own.
Six. Iʼm impressed.
First, you ignore many other gender differences, basing your argument only on a few that you think support your conclusion. Second, you’re ignoring everything else that could explain the gender gap. Third, the gender differences you cite differ between countries and over time. Fourth, they don’t even support your argument, because you don’t seem to understand what makes a great software engineer. Fifth, you clearly don’t understand our company, and so fail to understand what we are trying to do when we hire. And sixth, even if you are right that more men than women are well-suited to the job of software engineer at Google, you are wrong that taking steps to recruit more women is inherently unfair to men.
Your point 6 is a result of some studies, not the start. Are you sure that you are Larry? Who developed the innovative link ratings, USP of Google search engine? 5, Iʼve been a Googler since ʼ13. What exactly didnʼt I understand? 4, what exactly makes a great software engineer? (Iʼm one, and you are my chief—if you are really Larry, but I start to doubt about it.) 3, everything differs between countries in detail but not in magnitude. 2, everything else explaining the gender gap would extend the scale of my memo (and my spare time as well as paid work time). 1, I never claimed to have told them all gender differences. Just the obviously to be seen ones.
Your memo was a triumph of motivated reasoning: heads men win; tails women lose. Here are a few psychological differences between the sexes that you didn’t mention. Men score higher on measures of anger, and lower on co-operation and self-discipline. If it had been the other way round, I’m betting you would have cited these differences as indicating lack of suitability for the job of coder. You lean on measures of interest and personality, rather than ability and achievement, presumably because the latter don’t support your hypothesis. In many countries girls now do better in pretty much every subject at school than boys—again, if it had been the other way around I’m sure you wouldn’t have neglected to mention that fact.
Many other countries? Google is in America, where Google earns money.
The sole published comparison of competency in coding I am aware of found that women were more likely than men to have their GitHub contributions accepted—but if they were project outsiders, this was true only if their gender was concealed.
There is plenty of evidence that women in Silicon Valley suffer sexism and discrimination. Read Susan Fowler’s description of the harassment she experienced at Uber before leaving the firm in December. Look at the responses to “Elephant in the Valley”, a recent survey of senior women in tech: among its findings was that two-thirds had been excluded from networking opportunities because of their sex. And beyond our industry, women are less likely than men to be given plum assignments, are given less useful feedback, are seen as pushy when they ask for pay rises (men are seen as ambitious) and, in leadership roles, may be seen as either competent or likeable, but rarely both. “We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism,” you write. But we know there is sexism! We don’t need to infer it from the existence of gender gaps.
Sexism. No needs to infer it from gender gaps. All this signs classical feministic arguments, but not businessʼs ones. Larry? Where are you? Not at home?
It is more than likely that some psychological differences between men and women have been baked in by evolution, as you note. We see such differences, in varying degrees, in pretty much every animal. With humans, though, you must take great care before concluding that any specific difference is innate, since our societies are so much more complex and varied than those of other animals. (By the way, I find it blackly funny that some of the conservatives who have seized on you as a hero don’t believe in evolution at all.)
To be honest, from here on I deny to continue the role of James ./. Larry. Here my final comments, the rest of the fictional email can be read by the interested public:
This email comes from economist, not from Larry; and it directs not to James, but to public. This trick could work ... if not there were some bogeyman like me.
None of the arguments above (and, presumably, below) are as specific and provable as those in Jamesʼs memo. The basic motivation of economistʼs whole article is corrupted by politics.
Just forget it. In case of clinical interest, read on the rest:
Here are some reasons to be doubtful about an evolutionary basis for the specific differences you cite. Before the 1980s, when personal computers became more common and were almost exclusively marketed to men and boys, a much bigger share of those studying computer science at university in America were girls than is the case now. The share of computer scientists who are women varies wildly from country to country. Even personality differences vary from time to time and place to place—for example men are more agreeable (the term used by psychologists for a cluster of traits such as modesty, altruism and tender-mindedness), and less ambitious and status-seeking, in more hierarchical countries. That suggests that at least some of the gaps we see in America are because women are still relatively powerless, just as most men are in more traditional societies. Moreover, those supposedly “female” traits vanish in the rare arenas where the competition is entirely among women. Sopranos and ballerinas are hardly famous for being indifferent about who gets top billing.
I said you didn’t understand what made a great software engineer. If we were talking about weight-lifters or contortionists, it would be simple—and your stylised bell-curve diagram would be the whole story. Men are on average so much stronger, and women so much more supple, that almost all the highest performers are from one sex or the other. But few jobs are that one-dimensional. Software engineering requires a broad mix of skills involving both “people” and “things”. Teamwork, in particular, is important—the stereotypical image of the geek working alone in his basement is far from reality. Senior engineers must manage teams—and by your own reasoning that should mean that women, with their greater empathy and interest in people, should be over-represented at that level, compared with their numbers in more junior jobs. That they are not should have given you pause.
Many of the problems in our industry are caused by the sorts of misconceptions about the job that you clearly hold. Failures of teamwork and product testing are part of the reason so many new releases are glitchy, and so many projects run over time and over budget. I can even point you to ways that products fail because too few women have been involved in their development. When Google Plus was launched users had to state their gender to sign up. The intention was to make it easier to send notifications such as “She shared a photo with you.” Presumably it didn’t occur to anyone involved in development—all of them men—that many women choose to conceal their sex online to cut down on harassment.
Such failures matter far beyond our industry, because tech increasingly reaches into every aspect of modern life. I don’t want Google to be part of building a virtual world that is a bad fit for a big chunk of humanity, as office designers, carmakers and pharmaceutical companies already did in the offline world. (Did you know that car seats and office desks are the wrong proportions for most women, or that many drugs in widespread use were only ever tested on men?)
Finally, let’s look at your contention that by trying to recruit more women Google is discriminating against men. You seem to think that if we stopped paying any attention to applicants’ gender when deciding who to hire, we would naturally converge on the “right” share of men and women, that is, the share that matches the distribution of talent in the recruitment pool. I don’t believe that. Unless we make special efforts, some women will be put off applying by the heavily male culture; those doing the hiring will be influenced in their assessments of candidates’ ability by the stereotypes they’ve formed in that male environment. We should “treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group,” you write. That is what we are doing. We’re trying to hire the best, aware that there are forces militating against us.
When you first wondered why so few of our software engineers were women, and why we’re trying to hire more and whether that was fair, there were plenty of smart things you could have done. You could have asked some of your female colleagues about their experiences in the industry. You could have looked for evidence that conflicted with your biases (there’s a good search engine you could have used). Here’s a brief reading list for you. At Heterodox Academy, Sean Stevens and Jonathan Haidt have compiled a pretty comprehensive list of psychological differences between the sexes—there are plenty, not all point the same way and there are many caveats. J. Doe, on Medium, has summarised the evidence that women are treated worse in the tech workplace than men. Suzanne Sadedin, an evolutionary biologist, debunks your pop evo-psych on Quora. Yonatan Zunger, a former senior engineer at Google, discusses your misconceptions about our industry on Medium. Claire Cain Miller talks about the damaging myth of the loner genius nerd in the New York Times. In Vox, Cynthia Lee “ladysplains” your errors from the viewpoint of a woman coder.
I shouldn’t have had to write this: I’m busy and a little effort on your part would have made it unnecessary. But I know I have it easy. Women in our industry have to cope with this sort of nonsense all the time.
(Ursprung – Samstag, den 19. August 2017, 01:16:42 Uhr)
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